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Allie
07-28-2006, 09:57 AM
For people reading this down the line who do not know my story, I hope this provides you good information and advice....

My p&pa background: P at 13, first severe flare at 14, first spontaneous remission at 21 (lasted 6 months) I have had moderate coverage for most of my life. I developed mild pa at 27. I am 30 now with mild p & pa.

In a different context, Cancun stated in the thread “is food the cause?” … if we change what we put in them, we get better… I agree with 100%... But for obviously different reasons.

Thank God for Enbrel. I will be thrilled with I am through pregnancy, breast feeding, etc & will rejoin the ranks of the clear & pain free.

I realize not everyone clears with Enbrel or any biologic. I recognize each person has to find the right solution for them, and I am even more thrilled I have started my journey to develop the perfect (not just right) solution for me. For some that may be diet, but it is not for me. I do not choose to live my life without fruit, but I do choose to live me life p free. I can have both, and for me that works.

University of Michigan (arrgg, I am going to have to wash my mouth out.. Go State!), has documented research p and pa patients all have one key gene (different variations, but one main link nonetheless). The actual triggers p and pa are different in each person. For some it is stress, for some it is food, for some it is strep throat, etc. My number one cause is stress.

The time in my life I was at my most skinny (a size 6), most active in working out, I was reveling in my success. I had pledged at 21, I would be a Sr. Financial Analyst by the time I was 25. Right after my 25th birthday, I accepted a position with a top 5 Global Management Consulting firm as a Sr. Financial Analyst in charge of its Global Consolidations budget planning, forecasting and reporting. I was also, recently engaged.

As I was enjoying all my success and happiness, I was blind sided with 9/11/01 on my second day at work in my new job (Chicago closed down the city), the loss of my paternal grandfather 10/01, engagement of my brother & his order I not get married until AFTER him because he was older, the impending demise of the maternal grandfather (as I commuted back and for to MI every weekend to stay with him & give my mom a break. I put 10K miles on my car in a summer), and finally his passing in 07/02, my Mother’s break-down as she moved my grandmother in with her & eventual placement into an assisted living facility, my brother’s wedding 11/02, and finally my own in 5/03. I did not even realize how severe my psoriasis was until my Dermatologist informed me I was two hands, two legs, two feet and ¾ of a face from being e-thropic. I developed psoriatic arthritis during this stressful time. I would not change any of it for a minute. I may have not dealt with my stress as healthy as some, but with all I had going on – I am not sure there was a better way. If avoiding stress had meant I not spend this last summer with my Grandfather, I would be clear and miserable. I was absolutely devastated my Grandfather did not make it to my wedding. He was the one family member who also had p.


I truly hope each one of us will one day be able to be happy for each other regardless of our treatment choices. The day when saying - hey this is working for me. YIPPEE!!...Does not get slammed with side-effects or worse, being told they are an irresponsible parent for feeding toxins to a baby in breast milk. <To me that was one of the cruelest things a person can say to someone who did things according to traditional, age-old wisdom.>

I will hope for the day, when people realize EVERY decision is hard to make. Going into a treatment choice (be it alternative (food, vitamins, minerals, UV light treatment, etc) or prescription (Olux, Enbrel, Dovonex, Elidel, etc) therapy) is the equivalent to deciding if you want to have a child. Having a child is taking on enormous responsibilities. You cannot decide what you want or whether or not the child is healthy. All you can do is educate yourself, try to live as healthy as possible with the influence of independent studies, registered dieticians, and physicians then hope for the best. The best you can do for your health is to make the most educated decision possible & hope for the best.

Good Luck to all of you in your search for a perfect solution…

I have been very saddened by the state of the board over the last few weeks. While I realize (& was informed by a Moderator) this was the works of a troll, I cannot help but do some serious thinking about my roll in it as well. I came back to the boards earlier this year to enjoy and welcome the camaraderie, continue to learn and develop new friendships, while renewing old ones I had not nurtured.

First people get upset over the change in the boards, which I truly happened to like…

Then a troll – inflames the board. The aftermath has left me very sensitive to information, I am in high disagreement. (example: Statement “alternative medicine IS CHEAPER than prescription drugs” to me this is FALSE. I spent $40 a month on Enbrel, but I spend over a hundred on vitamins recommended by my Drs. Probiotic alone is $25) I feel like I should state these opinions, but to do so just inflames the board even more.

I wish you all luck on finding your solution for p & pa. I will visit often, but I am currently not planning on posting – unless I find something of real value I can add to the boards. Petty infighting is not one, and that is all that seems to be here of late. I am really saddened by all of this. I was so excited in the spring when I freed up my schedule to be on here again… But even my DH has pointed out how ornery I have been due to the state of the boards. (He knows this, because he will I ask & I will go into rant over a post) I hope you will find the common ground we all need to make this board as effective as possible at helping achieve support for our p & pa. WE ARE LIVING WITH P & PA EACH DAY!!! This board is for SUPPORT. Condescension and accusations do not go hand-in-hand with support. Heart felt responses on ensuring proper medical care (be it a naturopath or a traditional physician) & encouraging education to find the right solution for an individual is. I realize some people may feel my strong support of working with your physician is overkill, but one of the #1 misconceptions (according to Reader’s Digest) of alternative therapy is that it is safe. All treatments are safe with the guidance of a medical advisor, but they MUST be made with a consistent advisor. Seeking additional sources is great, but having one constant helps keep a central location for all your medical records.

I ask in closing, please read the boards with a grain of salt and use common sense when latching onto a solution. So far, nothing has proven to be effective for everyone. Biologics proved some help some, but not all… Diet adjustments have proven not all diets need the same adjustments. I wish you luck in finding your perfect solution.

jennmkirby
07-28-2006, 10:41 AM
You know Allie... this forum's wearing me out a bit too lately, and you know which "side" I'm on. (Actually, the only side I'm really on is my own!) I wish it could be like "Hey, this is what's working for me, Yay ME! Give it a try if you want to!" But it's just... not. I don't know why people feel such a strong need to attack each other's choices. I mean, damn, people! Try this: Live and let live! If you're clear, I understand wanting to shout it from the rooftops, but does the fact that someone else got better using a different method make it invalid?

I remember when I first came to the boards back in February/March and was gung-ho for alts, diet, etc. I have to honestly say that looking back on it, I was a little bit of a jerk. Now my attitude is hey, I'm extremely lucky to have stumbled upon a supplement/diet/exercise/stress reduction regimen that seems to be working, and I am getting down on my knees and thanking the Good Lord a couple of times a day and hoping that He allows it to continue. Because now I realize that sometimes it's a crapshoot... what works for one person really might be worthless to the next.

So that's my take... I really wish that we could all just be nice to each other and support choices, whatever we may think about them, and lift each other up, instead of tearing each other down. Actually, I'm just going to pledge right now to do my best to always try to do that. Hope I still get to see you around some.

Jenn

NL
07-28-2006, 11:06 AM
Allie, I hope you continue to post....I love reading them. I think we all just need to take the offensive posts with a grain of salt and let them go. Sometimes it feels good to air "your side" of the story, but then don't dwell on it. We are all in this together and nobody should attack another person's treatment choices, ever.....there is no excuse. I vow to be as respectful as possible.

Let's stick together.

lulu'smom
07-28-2006, 11:26 AM
Hi Allie!

I don't know if I've ever posted to you personally, but I want to wish you all the success in the world with pregnancy/breastfeeding etc. I personally chose to use Enbrel while I breastfed. I did this for a year (from the time my baby was 6 months until 18 months - slow weaner!). I got some very good advice from research Dr's and my own pediatritian. I chose to never really discuss it much on this board because I wasn't looking for a debate.

The troll issue is unfortunately. I think I am pretty lucky in a way, I"m so busy with work and 2 kids that I don't have enough time to check the boards daily. I know when I was doing worse and needing support more I was here all the time. At that point, the troll would have really upset me.

I don't come here for validation of my choices. I do enjoy hearing of success others have (such as Jenn with her stress reduction, natural choices etc) and those that choose biologics (such as me). We're all on the same team ultimately. We all are suffering from P, PA or both.

In any case, good luck, and stick around. Hopefully this place will return to it's old supportive self. There are trolls on every user group, like this, babycenter etc, and we just have to learn to ignore! :)

Good luck & feel free to PM me at all if you'd like to discuss pregnancy, breastfeeding, Enbrel, post pregnancy flares etc. I've been thru it all, twice!

Nancy

LadyHawke9973
07-28-2006, 11:27 AM
Allie~

You write beautifully and your heart shines through. While I'm sorry you're having to come to this decision, I can't say I wonder why you have one bit. Trolls are horrible creatures that can ruin the best of situations.

Know your journey in TTC is in my heart and prayers. Keep me informed of your progress if you have time/interest. My own daughter was conceived while I was on MTX and showing the worst symptoms of my life, including a flare of inverse in the ehat of the summer.

Take it one day at a time, eliminate your stress 1st and foremost, and do what is best for you...whatever that may be.

Know you're loved, prayed for and supported in all your decisions 100%.

RichJ
07-28-2006, 02:56 PM
hi allie,
i hope you come back soon. im sorry you got to stressed out. i did to. it put a beatting on me. polly was going to keep me off here to keep me clamed down and she told me you helped get here clamed down last night or some thing. you are a wonderful person that helps alot of people on here and you speak from your heart. i wish you the best my friend

try and have a good night all

richard

mamaooch
07-28-2006, 06:46 PM
Allie,
I have really enjoyed reading all your posts. Please continue to post when you have a chance and the board cools down. Everyone on this forum should be supportive of each other, we are traveling this road together. You have been very helpful and informative to people on the forum. Thanks for being such a positive influence to many of us.

Take Care,
Cindy

PJ66
07-28-2006, 07:15 PM
Allie,
I couldn't agree with you more. After many nights of not responding to the troll, I finally broke down last night and responded. Thanks for stopping me. I'm really good at walking away from people like that but enough is enough. We each have our own ways of making this stuff better. I would never try to push anyone into doing what I did to clear. We all have to make our own choices.
Polly

Mama Moose
07-30-2006, 06:31 AM
Alli,
I agree with you 110%. I'm sorry that a couple of bad apples have turned you away from the board that you've enjoyed and benefited from. I too, found myself frustrasted with the board after the argumentative posts started popping up left and right, but you know, I just started to ignore those posts, and stick with the positive ones. I have found this board to be very soothing on most days. Just being able to chat with people that know about and live with P has helped me tremendously. Before I found this board, I'd never even spoken with someone that has P. As I stated before on this board, I've never located another family member that had outward signs of P. I guess I was the lucky one in my family :rolleyes:
I have always enjoyed your posts, and I've sent you a PM before. I really hope that you'll continue to visit the board. You have a lot to offer the super nice people here and it's not fair to you to have those bad apples ruin your outlet. I hope to see you on the board :) Have a great day!

PS...your life story is awesome, and you should be very proud of your accomplishments :D

baldwin123
07-30-2006, 09:31 PM
I hope you do stick around too Allie, and post again when you can! Please know we were all really bothered by those posts- it put a horrible flavor on this forum and if I did not know how wonderful this group is, I would not have come back after reading some of the threads... before I found this forum, I knew no one else with PA and very few with p (like you Mama Moose, I am the only one in my large family to be so blessed)!...Please take good care of yourself, and don't go too far away! Good luck with ttc! Need any mom-to-be advice, please feel free to pm- I have 3 :)...
Jen

evergreen
07-31-2006, 11:04 AM
Hey Allie! Like you said, 'take these posts with a grain salt' or whatever you said...

I'm just glad I was able to get a prescription for MTX & Humira, having lived with P & PA in my spine (ankylosing spondylitis maybe?) for 10+ years. I couldn't get anything but topicals until my thumbs 'sausaged' on me very rapidly; although, I had always mentioned the stiffness and aching in my spine to the derms and pcp's, it was never addressed. Believe me, I have tried EVERY non-prescription remedy I could find mention of and like you said, I'm saving money now - I have to have medical insurance for more than me and P, so the copays are way less than the CoQ10, fish oils, vitamins, dead sea salts, blah, blah, blah and now I'm seeing results like I've NEVER seen before. I am similar to you, in that I believe my issues are definitely stress related. Anywho, I have been encouraged by you, so please stick around and contribute as much as possible.

Your WV pal,
Evergreen