NEW LOTIONS/CREAMS

[GitOverIt]

I have been trying a lotion I discovered on the UK called OSAS (have no idea what that stands for)

here is a link at that forum where people are discussing the merits and whether it has a steroid in it....I felt perfectly sure there is none so ordered it)
http://www.psoriasis-help.org.uk/forum/index.php/board,12.0.html

the thread is called "wowee...improvement within hours"

while there you can visit BJ's thread :D

anyway I have been using it on the few spots that remained after my clearing!!! I found after the last time I cleared that NO REMAINING SPOTS SHOULD GO UNTENDED or they will eventually grow!!! so I'm on a quest to get rid of ALL of them....well! there aren't that many...I had 3 on the back of my scalp at hairline....each inside ear..... right worse than left! a few spots on top of hands.... all very stubborn....If I got the hands clear...new tiny red spots would pop up in a different place on my hand!!!
I also had inverse that would clear up...but return if I ate a trigger food! since my using the transdermal magnesium for about a month now....no inverse...none, nada, gone! I don't know why the mag. helped the inverse but I'm glad it did (you can read the magnesium thread to find out how remarkable it is)

The gal that sells OSAS is named Emily and she ships to US I bought 2 bottles at $19.95 each ..............shipping about $6......

http://www.osasproducts.com/index.html

the other product is Gary's new psoriasis cream (Psorayur).....you can view it on his home page...this one has 144 mgs of wrightia ...(Psorolin has 33.3 mgs)plus double the size jar...200grams ......it is also bees wax based rather than petroleum based...something I pushed for....

http://www.garrysun.com/jawahar.html
So I am alternating the two of them since I think we build an intolerance to meds/potions/lotions etc and I have the time since what I have now is not bothersome.....

so this is what has been happening....in maybe 2 to 3 weeks....
ears are clear..... hands are clear but those darn spots on the back of scalp! one gone two are still there....To me that says the P is still hanging out in the system......my aim is 100% clear!
one more thing.....this has been slow...not a wowee!

[P-Man]

Hi Sally,

I've been missing for a while now and just getting back into this. I got put on Neoral as my skin was getting really bad. It has improved a bit not not 100% and now I'm looking forward to getting back into the alternative solutions. My first priority will be revisiting Garry Sun and the psorolin/777 oil combination. Not sure if there has been much change to the procedure of applying it or the ingredients so I'll have my work cut out for me cathing up through the forums.

I'll be interested to know how your progress goes with this new lotion.

Alan

[GitOverIt]

I'm clear....well 99% is that close enough? :p

[P-Man]

That's great news. I have just been reading about the OSAS lotion. This product seems amazing especially after seeing the before and after photos.

Do you know if this product contains any cortisones?

How often do you apply it? Has anyone else tried this product?

Thanks
Alan

[GitOverIt]

The company says no steroids! ............the group at the UK.....being told that by other sources at one time or another ..........have their doubts, so they are having it tested by an outside firm, Last I heard they are still waiting for the outcome...... ;)

I went ahead and ordered it.....since I feel it is just what the co. says it is...
a fungal fighter that is working on eczema and psoriasis......if you read the forum you would see it works for some not all....same as any thing we find!
I mentioned that I like to rotate anything I use...simply because the effects have a better chance of long term usage! So I rotated with Psorayur....from

http://www.garrysun.com/jawahar.html

[P-Man]

I've gone ahead and ordered two bottles of OSAS and waiting for it to be delivered. I'm also awaiting with baited breath the outcome of the test results on the UK forum. Seems like people over there that had very positive results initially are now experiencing a relapse. I'd be interested to see how you progress with this Sally.

[easydoesit]

According to the site the active ingredient in the Osas lotion is Clotrimazole which is the active ingredient in Lotrimin (athlete's foot/jockitch cream).

Coincidentally when my first spot of Psoriasis showed up ages ago I was travelling and wasn't sure if it was psoriais or a fungal infection and so I used some Lotrimin that I had in my travel bag on it and it did respond to it and was toned down for a while, however eventually it stopped responding and turned into my first real patch of psoriasis that eventually lead me to a derm and a diagnosis.

So anyway I wouldn't surprised if it does help some for a period of time.

[GitOverIt]

Yep we all have fungus in the world on us...as well as strep,staph and assorted germs...it's when they get out of control that they turn on us and they love skin! Dr Heng believes inverse and scalp P are fungus infestations....
Of course coconut oil is a antiviral, antimicrobial etc!

Coconut oil also contains caprylic acid (8%) which kills fungus (for example, athlete's foot fungus) and yeast (candida, as well as vaginal yeast). One or more of coconut oil's medium chain fats also kill a wide variety of intestinal parasites.



Fights Microbes on the Skin and in the Digestive Tract
Monolaurin is created when either your saliva or the bacteria on your skin break down the 3-part lauric acid triglyceride into single units, called monolaurin. The beauty of monolaurin is that it kills microbial invaders before they even get in the door, so the immune system doesn't spend all of its time and energy fighting them. Because the immune system only operates inside the skin, it can be required to do a lot of work to defend against bacterial and viral invaders that could just as easily have been killed by monolaurin on the skin and in the sinuses. Similarly, lauric acid plays a key role in protecting the digestive tract, which is also outside the skin, topologically speaking.

http://www.treelight.com/health/nutrition/CoconutOil.html#fights

[P-Man]

I was just reading the UK forums where they got OSAS tested by an independant laboratory. It was found that OSAS contains no trace of steroids. I can't wait to start using it.

[GitOverIt]

I never did think it did! but some people need assurances I guess! :D

I used both as I said on above post! I think rotating 2 or 3 potent lotions, gels or creams is a good idea....as well as eating an anti-inflammatory diet! also taking the anti-inflammatory supplements!

PSORAYUR Ointment, from Gary.... Psorolin gel, (From Dr. Heng).... and OSAS
make a good trio......

[seh54]

have any of you heard of Champori? A friend recommended it but I wanted to see what other people thought of it. Any ideas?

Sally (a different Sally)

[RichJ]

hi seh54,
welcome to the p family. you have met some of the wonderful people on here and will find alot of great info. welcome and nice to meet you.

have a good night all

richard

[joyousmom]

Is it really necessary to use a lotion if you're on a special diet to rid P? I am hoping it will all go away through diet alone.... am I being native??

[GitOverIt]

I used every resource available! :p

Most of us (psoriatics) have very dry skin to begin with...I know i do! I always wondered about my dry skin and what to do about it....(Before P)

nothing seemed to help. My legs were always dry and lotions and creams did not help!
Then I figured out the omegas were helping when I started taking them....(after getting P)

but I still needed something external....for P!

my supplyeth runneth over! I have lotions, creams, homemades and every kind of skin soother there is!

Dead sea salts in my hot tub also helped....mostly with the scales.

Now I just use coconut oil!
I apply it as soon as I get out of the tub....since it (coconut oil) helps restore the natural oils on the skin.....

Psoriasis is a symptom on the skin of something gone wrong internally.....
I think there are many parts to the puzzle of getting well!
putting something on the skin that protects against the skin invaders (fungus/yeast, staph, streps and other assorted germs is going to help keep the acid mantle intact!)

eating anti-inflammatory foods is another, probiotics helps restore and maintain the balance in the intestines. Taking supplements, is important to me!
I also think assisting the liver with silymarin (milk thistle) is a good idea.....curcumin is also good...as are Vitamin D3 and all the B's....

so many parts!!! :p

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:POntKSF-6JAJ:www.mayoclinic.com/health/silymarin/NS_patient-milkthistle+silymarin&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

[GitOverIt]

Hi Sally! here is a link to a discussion on champori....

http://www.psoriasis.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23332&highlight=champori

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:BG6bzyHspHAJ:www.sundayherald.com/life/people/display.var.1267648.0.dont_feel_the_burn.php+champ ori&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

http://www.champori.com/

it sounds familiar but I haven't used it!
Looks like it has helped with psoriasis....if you try it let us know!

P.S. welcome to the group...there have been lots of different ways to get rid of P...read some of the threads....Barney's Formula is getting good results! I did it with Pagano diet and other assorted rememdies :p

[joyousmom]

Of course coconut oil is a antiviral, antimicrobial etc!



Does it matter where I buy coconut oil from? I found one sold at my local Walgreen's, called "Cococare Coconut Moisturizing Oil." And what about using cocobutter?

[GitOverIt]

I'm not sure about Walmart's coconut...I'm on a coconut forum and one of the gals mentioned that the Walmart brand was processed...which means all the good was removed in the processing....so it is just another vegie oil!

your best bet is buying from a health store or whole foods store!
The expeller pressed is no odor or taste of coconut....sim=nce I use it for cooking that is the one I buy....I have the reg. I use for skin!
Remember a little goes a long way.......if you apply too much, what doesn't get absrbed will sit on the skin and feel oily....after I apply it I keep clothing off of it to make sure it gets absorbed...it only takes a few minutes.....

I just looked it up and it is not pure coconut oil...what I use is coconut oil only...nothing added......................

Ingredients: Mineral Oil, Coconut Oil, Fragrance and Lanolin.

[GitOverIt]

cocobutter is cocoa...smells like chocolate :D

[P-Man]

Is it really necessary to use a lotion if you're on a special diet to rid P? I am hoping it will all go away through diet alone.... am I being native??

Hi Joyousmom,

Everyone is different. Some will clear through diet alone. Many on these forums have. Some haven't. Personally diet alone doesn't work for me. I have chronis plaque P and I was on the Pagano diet for well over a year. My P did improve a bit to the point where it wasn't as flakey or thick but at the cost of it spreading further. It was still red and I still couldn't wear short sleeve shirts but my quality of life did improve to the point that I could walk without my back (which had bad P) didn't hurt from that cracked dry skin feel.

I'm starting to use the psorolin/777 oil from Gary and Sun again that Sally mentions above and also going to use OSAS to see if this helps.

Alan

[joyousmom]

My P did improve a bit to the point where it wasn't as flakey or thick but at the cost of it spreading further. It was still red and I still couldn't wear short sleeve shirts but my quality of life did improve to the point that I could walk without my back (which had bad P) didn't hurt from that cracked dry skin feel.


Thanks for your reply Alan. Do you feel your P would not have spread if you were on meds? Because when I used to take meds (presciption creams etc.) my P would start popping up elsewhere.
I did the Pagano diet 5 years ago (for 4 months) and had the same results you had. It was still there, but not as flakey & thick. I went back onto his diet recently hoping that maybe the last time I wasn't on it long enough. I'm also cutting out foods (that he allows) such as dairy to further boost my results.
I have to say that after reading your outcome and seeing myself no major improvements by now (2 1/2 months) I am not feeling very hopeful. My goal was to stay on the diet a total of 6 months. Can it be that the diet only works wonders for certain people?
BTW, did you also take the recommended teas (slippery elm and american saffron)? Because I am not taking them (I am a nursing mother).
~Linda

[P-Man]

Thanks for your reply Alan. Do you feel your P would not have spread if you were on meds? Because when I used to take meds (presciption creams etc.) my P would start popping up elsewhere.
I did the Pagano diet 5 years ago (for 4 months) and had the same results you had. It was still there, but not as flakey & thick. I went back onto his diet recently hoping that maybe the last time I wasn't on it long enough. I'm also cutting out foods (that he allows) such as dairy to further boost my results.
I have to say that after reading your outcome and seeing myself no major improvements by now (2 1/2 months) I am not feeling very hopeful. My goal was to stay on the diet a total of 6 months. Can it be that the diet only works wonders for certain people?
BTW, did you also take the recommended teas (slippery elm and american saffron)? Because I am not taking them (I am a nursing mother).
~Linda


Hi Linda,

I was on meds back in 2001 and I cleared up totally but as with all meds, when I stopped taking them the P inevitabley came back. I didn't really do anything much then decided to try the pagano diet. I was on that for over a year and kept to it strictly and it improved a great deal and spread as stated in the book it would but it never cleared up completely. The first winter I had while on the pagano diet was the first one I had for as many years as I can remember that was bearable.

To answer your question about it working only for some people I think yes to a degree. Pagano states, P is the result of a buildup toxins in our bidy and the diet is flushing out these toxins in the form of P. I think it depends on the amount of P coverage you have. For someone that has a few small patches here and there which may amount to say a small percentage of their body, improvements from the diet will be faster than someone who had say 90% coverage. I'm about 80% covered and would probably think that I would have to be on the diet for a longer time to see any vast improvement. One of the reasons I stopped the diet was that my derm put me on cyclosporine (something that I'm going to try ween off soon) which helped a little but didn't clear it up and also I lost a lot of weight. I'm not overweight at all and being on the diet, I lost a too much weight which I felt was unhealthy for me.

Don't be discouraged from my experience, I do believe thaty diet does play a big part and you may need to give your skin more time to heal dpending on your coverage. Right now, because I am on meds I'm still eating healthy but not strictly on the pagano diet. I do still take slippery elm in the morning and the American yellow saffron tea at night religiously. I've just started using a mixture of psorolin and 777 oil mixture from Gary and Sun on part of my body and going to use OSAS on another part to see if I see any improvement.

How are you treating your P at the moment?

I hope this helps and don't give up.

Alan

[joyousmom]

For someone that has a few small patches here and there which may amount to say a small percentage of their body, improvements from the diet will be faster than someone who had say 90% coverage. I'm about 80% covered and would probably think that I would have to be on the diet for a longer time to see any vast improvement. One of the reasons I stopped the diet was that my derm put me on cyclosporine (something that I'm going to try ween off soon) which helped a little but didn't clear it up and also I lost a lot of weight. I'm not overweight at all and being on the diet, I lost a too much weight which I felt was unhealthy for me.

How are you treating your P at the moment?


I'm about 80% covered. And believe or not I'm also underweight. I was underweight to begin with!! That's what I hate about this diet. Every time I go on it, I feel so weak. People around me say "you are too thin!" I also feel unhealthy loosing so much weight. I lost 10 pounds in one month. I am 5"8 and used to weigh 120. Now I'm down to 110!
To answer your question: Except for Pagano's diet, I am not treating my P with anything else. Because I am 80% covered, even if I wasn't nursing, I'd be afraid to use my prescription creams too much. I'm afraid of the long term side effects. I've always been a health conscious person. Maybe that's why I keep trying to see if diet will rid me of P. For now I've adapted to wearing long sleeve shirts & pants. My face has a few spots which I use a very mild prescription cream on. I also use it on my hairline.
Thanks for your encouragement. If there's anything else you think will help me, don't hesitate to fill me in!
~Linda

[P-Man]

I'm about 80% covered. And believe or not I'm also underweight. I was underweight to begin with!! That's what I hate about this diet. Every time I go on it, I feel so weak. People around me say "you are too thin!" I also feel unhealthy loosing so much weight. I lost 10 pounds in one month. I am 5"8 and used to weigh 120. Now I'm down to 110!
To answer your question: Except for Pagano's diet, I am not treating my P with anything else. Because I am 80% covered, even if I wasn't nursing, I'd be afraid to use my prescription creams too much. I'm afraid of the long term side effects. I've always been a health conscious person. Maybe that's why I keep trying to see if diet will rid me of P. For now I've adapted to wearing long sleeve shirts & pants. My face has a few spots which I use a very mild prescription cream on. I also use it on my hairline.
Thanks for your encouragement. If there's anything else you think will help me, don't hesitate to fill me in!
~Linda

I hated the fact that I became underweight on the diet too! It was Ok at first but like you, people kept asking me if I had lost weight and I got to the point of becoming very shivery during the winter months because I had almost zero body fat and could not regulate my body temperature and none of my pants would fit me anymore (they had become too big). I'm ok now. Anyway I'm awaiting my OSAS lotion to be delivered and will give that a shot as it contains no steroids. It's coming into the summer months here now and it would be nice to be able to wear shot sleeve shirt again.

I'll keep you posted as this may be a safe option you may like to try.

Alan

[joyousmom]

I'll keep you posted as this may be a safe option you may like to try.

Yes, please do!
~Linda

[joyousmom]

Hey Alan,
I forgot to ask you if you've tried coconut oil? I haven't tried either yet, (OSAS or coconut oil).

[P-Man]

Hey Alan,
I forgot to ask you if you've tried coconut oil? I haven't tried either yet, (OSAS or coconut oil).

Hi Linda, No I haven't tried coconut oil other than the cocnut oil that may be present in the products I'm using. I currently use Hemp Body butter as a moisturiser and take take 3 x 1000mg of salmon tablets daily with food. A lot of users in this forum add coconut oil as a moisturiser or to dilute products such as psorolin. I should add this on my list of things to try but find it difficult to locate some of these products. Are you considering trying it or what are you using at the moment as a moisturiser?

Alan

[Ashley23]

Please let me know if this cream is any good maybe I will give it a try! I would appreciate it!

[joyousmom]

Are you considering trying it or what are you using at the moment as a moisturiser?

Yes, I am considering trying the coconut oil. As silly as it sounds up until now (since starting Pagano's diet) I stopped using all moisturisers hoping my P will magically vanish on it's own. Hasn't happened. I get the feeling my P results maybe similar to yours....I maybe stopping the diet soon.
~Linda

[AnnieB]

I was wondering why you didn't combine the moisturizing with the diet. Was it just an experiment to see how much the diet could do on its own? I think most people would say that dry skin will always make P worse, no matter what other approach you are taking (meds, diet, combo).

[joyousmom]

I was wondering why you didn't combine the moisturizing with the diet. Was it just an experiment to see how much the diet could do on its own? I think most people would say that dry skin will always make P worse, no matter what other approach you are taking (meds, diet, combo).

Yes, it was an experiment. I wanted to know if through diet alone would save my skin.

[Ashley23]

I have been kinda doing this diet for like 2 weeks or so and have been having bad itching for the past couple days. I hardly ever itch with my p. Its really annoying an its gotten redder too. Im wondering if its going to start to heal or if its just getting worse? Please tell me if this cream works for you guys!

[P-Man]

I have been kinda doing this diet for like 2 weeks or so and have been having bad itching for the past couple days. I hardly ever itch with my p. Its really annoying an its gotten redder too. Im wondering if its going to start to heal or if its just getting worse? Please tell me if this cream works for you guys!

Sorry to hear about the itching. It may be healing. I do recall when I was on it, I flared really bad before it did get better (but not completely). I don't have the pagano book on me to check but I think pagano refers to this as the "terrible time" before it gets better.

I'll let you know how the cream goes. I'm still taking neoral (as directed by my derm) but my p is not getting better or worse and seems to be at a stand still so I'll know if it works or not. I have to wait around three weeks to get it to Australia - don't ask that's how long it takes for stuff to get to Australia from the UK. As with anything, what may work on someone may not necessarily work on another and vice versa.

I'll keep you updated.

[Ashley23]

Thanks! And I am reading the book now I am about half way through it so everything I read I am trying to do. Soon as I get money im going to try the teas. I havent cut out breads im still eating white bread but gradually cutting out one thing at a time. Also cut back on dairy but not completely yet.

[joyousmom]

I found after the last time I cleared that NO REMAINING SPOTS SHOULD GO UNTENDED or they will eventually grow!!! so I'm on a quest to get rid of ALL of them....well!

Sally, is it possible the spots are coming back because you never fully followed Dr. Heng's protocol? (You didn't use the Keflex?)
She wrote to me again and now I'm considering following everything she says. Turns out my own dermatologist NEVER asked me if I had some "kind" of strep infection. I didn't have the typical strep throat. I had a type of strep that pregnant women get (GBS). I never thought it had anything to do with my skin, so I never mentioned it to him either. All my old dermo did was give me prescription creams and lotions. Now I really wonder if I would have taken an antibiotic, maybe all these spots would have been gone 6 years ago?
~Linda

[GitOverIt]

could be...I thought more of the difflucan should have been taken....I took 8 but 10 were prescribed....however I only get one or two spots and they don't last....they are so small that I have to search to find any! :p thank goodness!!!!


also my guttate was caused by my intense scratching from poison ivy....I had my doctor do a strep test, that was sent out, just for good measure....came back good....I had my tonsils out when I was about 5 or 6 so I've never had sore throats....But wanted to make sure I wasn't a carrier!

[joyousmom]

I had my doctor do a strep test, that was sent out, just for good measure....came back good....I had my tonsils out when I was about 5 or 6 so I've never had sore throats....But wanted to make sure I wasn't a carrier!

See I agree with you. I'm not one to take antibiotics unless I truly need to. If I test negative to a blood strep test, then what?

Getting back to the curcumin: I'm still not convinced that it's cracked up to be better than any other P cream. Here's why:
Dr. Heng wrote to me the following:

However, the prescription creams, although they improve your psoriasis do not prevent your psoriasis from recurring. I have found that this is because the steroid creams improve the inflammatory response (T lymphocytes), but do not kill off the Ki-67 cells which is important is causing your skin to grow very fast. Only curcumin kills off the Ki-67 cells which make your skin grow so fast that your skin barrier (stratum corneum) becomes porous (full of holes).

Sally, if you're still breaking out, well then curcumin's not working! It's supposed to prevent your P from recurring!

[GitOverIt]

I'm talking mosquito bite size spots (2 of them)...that's not really breaking out....as I said I'm not 100% clear..... I call it 95 to 98%....the curcumin worked while I took it and where I used it...on my arms...then ran out before I could use it on the other areas of my body....so rather than spend another hundred I bought Gary's products just to see if they would work.......and they did however I don't know about the k1-67 cells being killed off with the psorolin.....she said only curcumin could do that......and if she said it...I believe it!!! If I had more P than 2 spots I would order more form her......but I think I'm still in the stage of going through remission...it doesn't happen over night.....it takes months. And thats what I've been doing since last summer....slowly ....baby steps! Once the healing starts it is an every day phenomenon!

[superlou]

Hi! Everyone should try Omega 3 6 9 by Glucoflex. I take 2 pills 3x a day. It worked very quickly within 2 weeks. I have pustular on my feet and couldn't walk for a long time. Tippy toes was getting very rough. Derm put me on everything from steroids, creams and then he said injections and my pharmacist told me to try Omega. I had nothing to lose and I walked into the drug store and kissed him and bought 2 new bottles. He makes sure he keeps it stocked for me. I hope this helps

stay well

[P-Man]

I've received my bottles of OSAS lotion and used it yesterday and today. My initial thoughts are it is a good moisturiser for me. I apply it after I shower and it leaves my skin feeling silky smooth and sort of waxy. The redness of my patches/skin looks like it has calmed down somewhat and looks more pinkish than then angry red it can sometimes look. When my skin does dry up afterwards where my skin usually has burs from the dried up skin, though they are still there is not as many. I use a normal moisturiser like sorbolene when my skin dries and my skin looks more normal (i.e. not as red) than it did before but I'm not completely clear. Before I rave about this having cleared my skin I still need to try this lotion while going through a typical week, i.e. work etc. It's the weekend at the moment and quite warm and the results may be due to those two factors.

More updates soon.

Alan

[pinkcheeks]

How do you order OSAS in the U.S?

[P-Man]

How do you order OSAS in the U.S?

I don't think it's available in the U.S. unless someone can correct me. I ordered mine from the U.K. from the following site...

http://www.osasproducts.com/

Alan

[ItchyandScratchyShow]

After reading so many posts about OSAS and visiting their website, I decided to take a chance and order some. I'll let you know how it goes. For everyone who has tried this product - are you using it is addition to the drugs prescribed by your doc or instead of?

[RichJ]

hi ItchyandScratchyShow,
sorry i can't help much but welcome to the p family. you have met some of the wonderful people on here and will find alot of great info. welcome and nice to meet you.

have a good day all

richard

[P-Man]

After reading so many posts about OSAS and visiting their website, I decided to take a chance and order some. I'll let you know how it goes. For everyone who has tried this product - are you using it is addition to the drugs prescribed by your doc or instead of?

Unfortunately I'm using it in addition the current medication prescribed by my derm but instead of the cortisones he also prescribed me. Ideally it would be good to use this in combination with an alternative method. I think most people in the U.K. are using it with different regimes. You can check out the posts on...

http://www.psoriasis-help.org.uk/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=d4bd71de96858f61c4609597163754 f2&topic=19472.0

Good luck with it.
Alan

[P-Man]

After several weeks of using OSAS I have had tremendous improvement. I stopped applying cortisones to my arms and legs and used the OSAS instead and have been wearing T-shirts for the first time in years. My arms are still a little pink from the P but not as noticeable as it was when it was red and angry. I should point out that it is summer here now which could be contributing to this improvement.

Alan

[twinieten]

I was browsing around the UK forum and saw in the OSAS thread (http://www.psoriasis-help.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19472.0.html) that there are steroids in the lotion! Here's something from MHRA http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&useSecondary=true&ssDocName=CON2033358&ssTargetNodeId=389
Just thought everyone would want to know.

[GitOverIt]

Hi Drea....thanks for the up date!!! what a shock!

I can now say I've used steroids!!! first time ever! however.....I can't say they did that much for me....I found that even tho the few spots I had were getting the OSAS and coconut oil (alternating them) I preferred the coconut oil......probably because I use the VCO all over as a moisturizer after a bath!
I haven't been to the UK site to check out the outcome of their latest investigation....last time I read it there was a confirmation from an independant study done....paid for by the woman selling it!

I ordered two bottles and have a little over one left!

the fellow that developed the lotion is going to be drummed out of the country ;) or human race!!!as he swore there was no steroids.....moms were using it on their babies!!!!

[twinieten]

It looks like the results of the cream that someone sent out individually showed no steroids.

[AnnieB]

I would still trust the MRHA testing over the commercial testing. (The UK board thread is interesting and I will continue to check it to see if they find a more definitive answer.)

[MikeK]

I was browsing around the UK forum and saw in the OSAS thread (http://www.psoriasis-help.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,19472.0.html) that there are steroids in the lotion! Here's something from MHRA http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&useSecondary=true&ssDocName=CON2033358&ssTargetNodeId=389
Just thought everyone would want to know.Thanks, Drea. Since links have annoying habits of becoming "dead links" here's a copy of the MHRA's statement:Steroids found in OSAS
The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has found steroids in an intensive body lotion with Aloe Vera called OSAS, which claimed to contain natural ingredients. The lotion which is an unlicensed product illegally claimed to treat eczema and psoriasis and has been found to be sold in a variety of Asian and African beauty shops in London and the West Midlands and over the Internet.

The lotion was brought to the attention of the MHRA by a paediatric dermatologist who became concerned when the parent of a baby he was treating for eczema started to use this product on the baby. The lotion tested positive for variable amounts of, Betamethasone dipropionate - a type of medicine called a corticosteroid. The product also contains Clotrimazole which is used in anti-fungal medications.

Strong corticosteroids (such as betamethasone) are only available on prescription and are used in the treatment of a variety of skin conditions such as eczema and psoriasis. Careful medical supervision of these treatments is important and inappropriate long-term use of corticosteroid medicines can cause skin thinning and other skin complications.

The Agency would strongly advise that anyone using this product, particularly on young children and babies, should stop immediately. Discontinuation of the product may cause a rebound effect (worsening of the condition) and you should therefore consult your doctor or healthcare provider about suitable treatments.

Anyone selling this product should stop doing so immediately, and remove it from their stock. If retailers are found to still selling this product then the MHRA will take appropriate action.


Front of bottle http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/comms-po/documents/websiteresources/con2033360.jpg



Back of bottle http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/comms-po/documents/websiteresources/con2033359.jpg

Notes to Editor

The MHRA continues to seize, or receive from other agencies, for analysis a significant quantity of suspect herbal products. In recent months products being sold as herbal, natural and safe have tested positive for Aristolochia, Sildenafil, Tadalafil, Finasteride, Clotrimazole, Mebhydrolin, Nonivamide, Hydroquinone

The MHRA Herbal Safety News pages highlight safety concerns associated with herbal medicines and are regularly updated to ensure that the most relevant information is made available to as wide an audience as possible.


There is also an e-mail alerting facility to which users can subscribe and receive an e-mail notification when the Herbals Section of the website is updated. http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=96


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[pinemeadows]

I just ordered this stuff about 3 hours ago!

Tried to call Emily's cell phone but of course now there's no answer. Even with the time change, someone should answer. (She told me she takes calls into the evening.)

Sent an email requesting a refund as well.

To top it off, I emailed the MHRA gov't agency there to find out what recourse I will have when I don't get my refund.

I can't believe this - I NEVER order this kind of thing...and now I know why!!!

Oh well, back to Barney's formula and Slippery Elm tea.

BJ

[GitOverIt]

BJ I don't think you'll have to worry...according to the MHRA UK gov they said it couldn't be sold by anyone.....

here is a site I had visited when still checking out the authenticity of the lotion

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:jublxjrM4hEJ:www.eczemavoice.com/forum/messages/271/174.html%3F1197065710+OSAS+lotion&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

according to the above site the MRHA said in writing that there were no steroids....

I must have gotten the one without steroids since I had no after effects..... in fact it was just like a nice moisturizer for me....nothing outstanding! or at least what one would expect from steroids!!!!

[pinemeadows]

Thanks for the encouraging words - do you think that there were some products without the steroids, and some with it then??? The link I read said it definitely had steroids in it, and that it should not be sold by anyone.

I guess I'm confused.

Anyway, I DID get the refund from Emily. She said she only heard it today, around the same time I did.

It'll be interesting to see if the website continues to sell the product.

BJ

[pinkcheeks]

can you pm me the contact info. Its seems she took her contact page off her site recently. I'm in need of a refund as well.

[GitOverIt]

this page is still up...I don't know how long tho!

http://www.osasproducts.com/index.html

at the top right is an email address

info@osasproducts.com

you can try it and see if it goes through

[pinemeadows]

Pinkcheeks, the contact info is on that web page...better grab it. That's the only thing I had.

She was kind enough to do the refund immediately. I didn't have much hope for that.

BJ

[alli]

This is like a repeat of the skincap scandel from a years ago. :mad:

http://www.pinch.com/skin/pshame.html#skincap

[pinemeadows]

You know, I was thinking about that this very morning....

I DO miss Skincap - sort of.....long before we all knew it had steroids in it (boy, was I ever not-so-young and dumb), I ordered the spray and the shampoo.

The shampoo never did a thing for me, but boy, that spray! I thought it was a miracle - it worked the very first day I used it!

It cleared up several tough areas....and it didn't reappear for YEARS!!! (At least 3 anyway) I finally got to wear shorts and sleeveless tops again.

Ah-h-h, those were the good old days!

But for now, I guess I'll stick with Barney's formula and perhaps some slippery elm tea now and then. Not so bad - I just have to stay with it long term.

BJ in TX

[alli]

I found a great article (http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/womenshealth/features/skincareripoffs.htm) from a UK website that helps people navigate through all the claims and hoopla that certain products claim in their advertising!! It's a must read for those of us who suffer from chronic skin problems!!

[tjn]

I have followed the UK thread on OSAS since the summer. What I find
totally interesting is that MRHA tested OSAS in 3/07 and found no steroids.
In 10/07 a psoriasis forum member sumitted a sample for testing to a private lab and again they found no steroids. In 11/07 a dermatologist submitted a sample to MRHA and it had .034% beta... steroid. MRHA then did a purchase of a sample and found only .0009%! I used the product during 9/07 & 10/07
and found that it worked on some plaques and not others. I found it worked best on new small ones. I subsequently stopped using it because I thought I would give it a break, and to this date I still have not had a flare up as steroids would do to me last year. I have absolutely no personal gain in this matter except I used a product that did help to some degree. I can't help but feel that more testing should be done on this product at the manufacturing level, not at the consumer level, because there is always the possibility of contamination by a customer. I wonder if the FDA would test the product?
Anyone know how to go about this?

[ouchyk]

I have followed the UK thread on OSAS since the summer. What I find
totally interesting is that MRHA tested OSAS in 3/07 and found no steroids.
In 10/07 a psoriasis forum member sumitted a sample for testing to a private lab and again they found no steroids. In 11/07 a dermatologist submitted a sample to MRHA and it had .034% beta... steroid. MRHA then did a purchase of a sample and found only .0009%! I used the product during 9/07 & 10/07
and found that it worked on some plaques and not others. I found it worked best on new small ones. I subsequently stopped using it because I thought I would give it a break, and to this date I still have not had a flare up as steroids would do to me last year. I have absolutely no personal gain in this matter except I used a product that did help to some degree. I can't help but feel that more testing should be done on this product at the manufacturing level, not at the consumer level, because there is always the possibility of contamination by a customer. I wonder if the FDA would test the product?
Anyone know how to go about this?


http://www.psoriasis.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23925&highlight=FDA+alternatives

Good reason for the FDA to step in and check it out. Yet so many are against this why I wonder... :confused: legit co's have nothing to fear.

Tampering can be done at any level I would venture to guess :o And who is to say that the ingredients and results sent to the independent lab were legit?

Any steriod use needs to be closely monitored due to the very nature of the medication. Most times they can be used efficently & without worry. But I mean if your rx'd something generally you get what your rx'd and when you order something that is suppose to be all natural you want it to be just that.

and of course caution in " miracle cures " and /orclaims we read on the internet.

Psoriasis is an odd disease, it can flare and remit in some for reasons we do not fully understand.



Karen

[RichJ]

hi tjn,
sorry that i can't help much but welcome to the p family. you have met some of the wonderful people on here and will find alot of great info. welcome and nice to meet you.

have a good weekend all

richard

[P-Man]

This is quite disappointing news. No wonder my skin began to clear up! I should have realised. As stated before, a member on the UK forum submitted a sample for testing by an independant authority and there was found to be no steroids in the product. I feel somewhat deceived by this news. Most certainly the manufacturer will be experiencing a dramatic drop in sales.

Oh well, back to the drawing board.

[GitOverIt]

This link is on the web site where I purchased my OSAS lotion......I still feel there is no steroids in MY supply.....

http://www.osasproducts.com/index.html

[pinkcheeks]

Thats where I ordered mines too. I'm still awaiting my refund. I'm beginning to think they have stopped giving refunds and I'm afraid there is probably nothing I can do about it except email them every few days but that hasn't helped. I haven't even received the product yet so i don't get why they just can't give me my money back through my debit. The whole thing is getting me frustrated

Update: I just got my refund via debit. I feel relieved even if it was a measly 30$.

[alli]

Pinkcheeks--Glad to hear you got your refund. It's not the $30, rather the principal behind it.

Sally--I sincerely hope that you did get the product with no steroids in it, cause I know that you've always wanted to handle this disease naturally.

I feel the problem is the bigger picture. People were lead to believe that the product was all natural and in certain bottles of this OSAS, this turned out not to be the fact. I feel really sorry for the parents who used it on their children's faces believing they were were using a product that wouldn't hurt that tender skin.

Seriously, this current episode with OSAS is not an isolated incident. This (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071123/NATIONWORLD/711230429/-1/LOCAL17) article discusses herbal substitutes for viagra. Some scary facts that could be lifethreatening for men at risk of stroke and heart attack.This (http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2007/December/theuae_December369.xml&section=theuae&col=) article talks about all natural products for diabetes also containing actual medical ingredients. I really hope that we start setting a higher standard for these products so as consumers we can be comfortable purchasing and using them.

[GitOverIt]

THIS IS FROM THE WEB SITE!!!

VERY IMPORTANT – PLEASE READ



I have taken the decision to password protect my site so that noone can buy OSAS lotion until further notice.



The reason for this is that it has come to light that some bottles of OSAS lotion may contain a steroid called Betamethasone Dipropionate.



The MHRA (government regulatory body) tested three samples of this product.



The results of the tests have shown that:



One sample contained NO steroids.

One sample contained 0.034% of Betamethasone Dipropionate.

One sample contained 0.009% of Betamethasone Dipropionate.



A sample was also tested by Stockton Laboratory in Teeside and was found to contain NO steroids.


These are small amounts, and I am looking into whether this could have been caused by cross-contamination, as can happen with nuts etc.



I have left a message with the MHRA as I would like them to test my stock. The Stockton result was from a bottle provided sold on this website to a customer, and was found to be steroid-free.



In any case, if there is any trace of steroid, no matter how small, one must not sell the lotion without a licence.



OSAS lotion is unlicensed, as it was understood that it did not contain steroids. Therefore, please do not purchase it from any shop or website.



I am sure that in the future, it will be produced in a factory where no contamination can occur and we can all be sure that it is steroid-free.



I will update the site with any extra information I find from either the manufacturer or the MHRA.



The manufacturer maintains that he puts no steroids in the lotion. Should you wish to speak directly with the manufacturer, his website is http://www.osasone.com/, 020 8880 0269, info@osasone.com.

[ouchyk]

Nice to see the distributor is removing the product from her site along with refunding monies.

Hope she/he doesnt get tangled up in lawsuits over selling a tainted product. :eek:

Karen

[GitOverIt]

Hey no problem!....at least no one will die from it....

thank goodness :D

[mamaooch]

Hey no problem!....at least no one will die from it....

thank goodness :D

Above all else do no harm...........

[GitOverIt]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GitOverIt
Hey no problem!....at least no one will die from it....

thank goodness



Above all else do no harm...........



sorry I don't get it?!

I didn't make the OSAS and it doesn't look like anything but minute quanties!
surely it can't be dangerous? just a stupid mistake on someone's part!

One sample contained NO steroids.

One sample contained 0.034% of Betamethasone Dipropionate.

One sample contained 0.009% of Betamethasone Dipropionate.

[AnnieB]

Well, when you get a prescription for the cream or ointment, it is usually 0.05. So the sample that tested at 0.03 was just a bit weaker than a prescription steroid. Not that I think it would hurt anyone, but 0.03 of betamethasone dipropionate is supposed to be prescription, not OTC.

[shanemilehi]

I went to a Naturopath yesterday and we talked about anti inflammatory stuff. She recommended the following recipe:
1oz camocare base
1/2 oz Licorice extract
contents of 6 capsules of Curcumin
Mix well

I know there has been a lot on here about Curcumin, but she seemed really excited about it's benefits.

We devised a whole suppliment regimen ( I know that can sound iffy, or spendy but I am going to give it a shot for a couple of months)
If I see some good results I will post.

I wonder if anyone has tried this lotion of has thoughts on it??

Shane

[GitOverIt]

Hi Shane...I looked up Camocare I think it is chamomile something...

which product is it?

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/brand.jsp?b=Camo+Care

[shanemilehi]

I just wrote down camocare and she looked it up on the Vitamin Cottage website so yes I think it is the camocare soothing cream listed first there. I'll check but it seems right,,,..,,, Right??

[pinkcheeks]

OMG I just received OSAS through shipping and am contemplating if I should just store it away or use it on some stubborn spots.

Update: The lotion has a pungent smell. Also, I received this lotion with addition to the refund which was weird. Did this happen to anyone else?

[vini68]

'The reason for this is that it has come to light that some bottles of OSAS lotion may contain a steroid called Betamethasone Dipropionate.'

http://www.osasproducts.com/index.html

[ouchyk]

VINI where have you been?! :eek:

[vini68]

Hello Karen .
how are you ?
waiting for you in nyc one day ..

i'm here battling the winter and psoriasis
everytime i get desperate i come here to see if there is anything new to buy ..
LOL

only to find out about Osas , and checked the site .. and it's closed for sales .. temporarily .. :(

i might try the new PSORAYUR , from gary&sun

take care

[ericnc]

i just received my psorayur from garry and sun yesterday. it is a very weird consistency and color, but i put it on my arms and legs. this morning, my plaques are already starting to dry out. it was completely amazing. i will post again in a few days.

eric

[MikeK]

Danger lotion is seized by battering ram police

Sophie Goodchild, Health Editor

08.05.08

Police have seized thousands of pounds worth of a beauty lotion containing dangerous steroids from a flat in east London.

Health experts warned that the cream - marketed under the name Osas - could cause skin-thinning in children and babies and other health complications. It is sold as a cure for skin conditions including eczema.

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulation Agency said the case demonstrated the rise in the sale over the internet of illegal medicines which have not been vetted and licensed by regulators.

Officers from the City of London police used a battering ram to enter the property where they found nearly 500 boxes of bottles of the lotion as well as bank statements.

They now want to trace the man they believe is responsible for marketing Osas over the internet and in London beauty salons.

He faces prosecution for allegedly illegally advertising, selling and supplying the product.

Police launched the raid after the healthcare agency received a tip-off from a dermatologist. The doctor became concerned when the parents of a baby he was treating for eczema started to use the product on their child.

High-strength steroids are only available through a GP on prescription and should only be used under careful medical supervision.

The Osas lotion claims to contain only "natural" ingredients, and steroids are not listed on the bottle.

But tests carried out by experts from the agency showed the £11 cream contained prescription-only steroids.

Although steroid creams should be used sparingly because of their potency, labelling on the Osas bottle advises people to use the lotion "generously" on the body.

Mick Deats, head of enforcement and intelligence at the MHRA, warned that anyone who has been using the lotion should stop immediately and speak to their doctor if they have any concerns.

He said: "We have found some of these products to contain unlicensed medicinal ingredients, namely steroid creams. These are, by their very nature, potent and can cause serious damage to your health. This visit serves as a reminder that we will continue to clamp down on people who flout the laws under the Medicines Act and who pose a threat to public health."Source: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23483149-details/Danger+lotion+is+seized+by+battering+ram+police/article.do.

[alli]

WOW!!

I thought they had solved this problem with this product months ago:mad: