A bonafide all natural cure for Psoraisis

[Gazza]

Hi everyone,
I have had P for approx. 5 years now, it started off very slight on my face and eventually graduated to various other parts of my body like my knees, torso, elbows, behind my ears, genitals etc
Anyway I came across a book on the recommendation of my Dermatologist which was written by a Chirpractor called Dr.John Pagano. I know I know a Chiropractor you're thinking, well his book is a natural alternative solution to Psoraisis, it gets to the core of what P is and explains it in lay mans terms how you can cure it from the INSIDE and guides you through how to get rid of it in a natural no-medication-required way.
This Doctor has researched the cause of P for over 30 years and has treated people through his natural regimen during this time with remarkable success. His book provides pictures as proof to his success. I am in my third month of the regimen and at the beginning it was difficult, you know change of diet, change of lifestyle new attitude towards P, etc etc.
(side note, because of the healthy diet, you lose a decent amount of weight as a side effect, I lost around 40lbs!)
This book is for real and Dr.Pagano is really and truly onto something. His book never gets publicly lauded by the medical community for no other reason than his cure is through a natural procedure of healthy all natural foods, herb teas, salt baths, exercise, colonic irrigations, positive thinking and spinal adjustments. Of course all the above elements don't provide a dime to the world of medicine so why should doctors and people in the medical community promote his cure.
He says it can take up to six months to see results depending on the individual.
I hope you all at least take the time to investigate his book, you can order it from Barnes ansd Noble online it's called
'Healing Psoraisis, the natural alternative' by Dr.John A.O. Pagano
Thanks for reading

Gazza.

[GitOverIt]

We have discussed this book, in fact some of the posters on here are on the Pagano diet....................I have the book and keep trying to get past the sugar part......(I'm a wimp when it comes to sweets......)

Its a great book I have all the teas etc I sent for thru an online source. I even have the cookbook.....Now all I need is the will power.

The first thing I noticed when I started it was the LECITHIN granules and how well they worked.....
are you doing the colonics and spinal adjustments too?....I didn't do those, but then I wasn't on but a short time.....have you seen a difference? in your P?

I think winter is the best time to start this program since that is the time when the P acts its worse.....

welcome to the board....and keep us up to date......

[Jor-EL]

A similar book to the Pagano book is Lisa LeVan's, The Psoriasis Cure. The only problem I have with Ms. LeVan's book is with the misleading title, since even the book explains that if you were to discontinue the regimen of supplements, that the symptoms would return. So therefore the book does not actually lay claim to a "CURE" for psoriasis, but only a means of getting the symptoms under control and keeping it there.
If you have psoriasis now, count on having it for the rest of your life, whether your body displays symptoms of the illness or not.
I think that the book is worth checking out, despite the misleading title. It has alot of very technical information and it can be encouraging. Lisa LeVan supposedly had a severe case of psoriasis, followed her own plan, and has been completely clear for over 5 years.

[Gazza]

HI,
Not to sound argumentative but you do contradict yourself here, with the two sentences below;

>If you have psoriasis now, count on having it for the rest of your >life, whether your body displays symptoms of the illness or not.

>Lisa LeVan supposedly had a severe case of psoriasis, followed >her own plan, and has been completely clear for over 5 years.

This is absolutely not true and sort of a defeatist mindset don't you think? We do not have to live with this horrible disease for the rest of our lives because of the lady you mention above, she has followed her own guidelines and been P free for 5 years, so why can't she be free of it forever?.
There are natural ways to rid yourself of P, you have to understand what it is, how it got there, and how to get rid of it, and the only way you can do it is from the inside, you can put creams lotions potions treatments etc on your skin for the rest of your life but you will continue to have P because you are not curing it from the inside. You are trying to cure it from the outside. If you get to the source of what P is and flush it out of your body and maintain a lifestyle that continues to keep P at bay then there is absolutely no reason it should return.
Alot of having P is psychological, we think of it as "my" Psoraisis, we think, like you said it's gonna be with me forever, if you think this way then you will have it forever.
Psoraisis is 100% curable, but a six month regimen is just way out of most peoples tolerance and endurance scope, so they resolve to ointments and creams to keep it at bay, knowing it is lingering under the surface.
Why not get to the core of where it start (the intestines) and start repairing them and flushing it out?
Apologies for my long winded response.
Gazza.

[Waco]

Hi all!

Im on the paganos diet, just started it (100%) a couple of weeks ago, p seems to be fading a little bit so far, and im sure it is going to work!

Thanks for thinking of letting us know, i think most of us have already heard of it, but its the thought that counts so thanks!

As for will power, you have the will power, you just have to the decision! ive gone vegan at the same time so that helps (i link it in with that and as im vegan on a moral ground i cant go back on it!)

Im not to sure if its called psoriasis if you have no symtoms, i think (if you agree with pagano which i do) that you are predisposed (genetically by the sound of things) to get psoriasis if you get a too bigger a build up of toxins in your body and your liver/kindneys cant cope with it.

As for the spine manipulations - im just trying to keep a good posture (not sure if it helps, but a good idea anyway!) i dont think i could persude anyone to do them

As for the colonics, hmmm, no! they may help, but i dont get constipation and im sure lots of fibre and the other stuff he recomends will work just as well, may just take a little longer, but as ive said, im sure im noticing a bit of an improvement already. But gazza, are you following all the procedures, or which ones?

Mark

[Waco]

PS Its incouraging to hear of someone else that its working - thanks!

[Gazza]

HI Sally,

Sally said;
are you doing the colonics and spinal adjustments too?....I didn't do those, but then I wasn't on but a short time.....have you seen a difference? in your P?

Yes I get a colonic every two weeks and a spinal adjustments every week, it's helped me immensely in every aspect of my health not just with P. My P has improved slightly, and I know I will get rid of it, it's only a matter of time.
The diet and regimen helped my lose 40lbs and I feel fantastic, I'm at my ideal weight for my size. I gave up my debaucherous lifestyle as ridding myself of P was way more important than being a socialising whore!
I started running three times a week and I've become very fit (exercising is an important part of curing yourself, especially outdoor activity) I've decided I"m gonna run the NYC marathon this year as an incentive to stay in shape keep up the regimen and set a goal.
I hope you decide to try the regimen, you will have absolutely no regretsm, and you know what, it's worth a try, don't you agree?

[Gazza]

Hey Mark,

Mark said;
As for the spine manipulations - im just trying to keep a good posture (not sure if it helps, but a good idea anyway!) i dont think i could persude anyone to do them

As for the colonics, hmmm, no! they may help, but

Mark, do the colonics, I'm telling ya, it's a majorly important part of the regimen, you need to clean out your system, think of all the years you spent putting food in that you probably shouldn't have as far as P is concerned, now you need to flush that out, if you've made the first step in starting the diet you should go the whole kit and caboodle? and integrate the colonics and adjustments, any chiropractor will only charge you 40-50 bucks per session, it's so worth it Mark, if you're already seeing an improvement, imagine how much quicker it will be with these two things incorporated??????

[jrs]

please keep us posted from time to time and let us know how things are progressing also if your doing any other types of things such as tanning. topicals ect ect . good luck to all of you

[Jor-EL]

Gazza,

Sorry, I didn't mean to upset you. I apologize.

You responded to what I wrote:
HI,
Not to sound argumentative but you do contradict yourself here, with the two sentences below;

>If you have psoriasis now, count on having it for the rest of your >life, whether your body displays symptoms of the illness or not.

>Lisa LeVan supposedly had a severe case of psoriasis, followed >her own plan, and has been completely clear for over 5 years.

My wording was unclear. What I should have added was ....she has been completely clear because she CONTINUES to follow her own regimen. If she stopped, the lesions would probably return. In your case, if you have great success with your regimen (as you probably will), and then stopped and went back to a junk food diet without excercise, your symptoms would probably return.
What say thee? Agree...Disagree?

A question for you Gazza: Have you ever considered the very young infants and children (and I'm sure there have been many), who have been in otherwise perfect health, but have showed symptoms of psoriasis. How do you answer that? It does seem to undermine your theory that psoriasis comes about because a person has overloaded his/her body with toxins over an extended period of time and has become unhealthy.

How long have you been following Dr. Pagano's plan? I'd say to give it a couple of years and see if it is truly a success.

I wish you the very best. I may go on it myself.

For now it's been mostly a lot of supplements, flax seed oil, and watching what I eat. I also take Metamusel every morning and drink lots of green tea. I have also lost weight since I started following Ms. LeVan's book. There is alot of stuff that is immediately cut from the diet - refined sugar products, fried food, processed meats, citrus, vinegar, pepper and pepper-like condiments, tomatoes, ketchup, tomato sauce, certain nuts, alcohol, caffein, margerine and soda.

[Zara]

FYI If you put the name 'Pagano' into the forum's search function (small blue button on the end of the forum toolbar), you can access the many threads which include discussions of Dr. Pagano's diet & theories, various people's results and various perspectives on the diet.

[EdR]

Gazza,

Welcome to the message boards. This web site contains a tremendous amount of information, and I encourage you to explore the resources here. Following are a few links:

Psoriasis Facts: psoriasis is an immune-mediated disorder (http://www.psoriasis.org/facts/psoriasis/)

Psoriasis triggers (http://www.psoriasis.org/facts/triggers/)

Psoriasis genetics (http://www.psoriasis.org/research/genetics/)

Three genes linked to psoriasis susceptibility identified (http://www.psoriasis.org/news/press/2003/20031105_geneannouncement.php)

Psoriasis treatments overview (http://www.psoriasis.org/treatment/psoriasis/)

NPF pamphlet: "Your Diet and Psoriasis" (382 KB PDF file) (http://www.psoriasis.org/files/pdfs/booklets/diet.pdf)

[chaimFL]

Originally posted by Jor-EL
Gazza,

A question for you Gazza: Have you ever considered the very young infants and children (and I'm sure there have been many), who have been in otherwise perfect health, but have showed symptoms of psoriasis. How do you answer that? It does seem to undermine your theory that psoriasis comes about because a person has overloaded his/her body with toxins over an extended period of time and has become unhealthy.


Jor-EL you have hit the nail on the head....psoriasis is NOT caused by toxins in the body. That is a known scientific fact please see Ed's links to prove the point.

Jor-EL you were also correct to say If you have psoriasis now, count on having it for the rest of your life, whether your body displays symptoms of the illness or not.

Psoriasis is an autoimmune condition, which means that we have a malfunctioning immune system so to speak and whether symptoms are visible or not the underlying conditon still exists.

[sullivan1979]

Of what little I read of the post and your explanation of the book, I would have to agree 100% with the Doc. I know P is caused by some type of mal nutrition. I know this only because of the results I have gotten after supplementing my diet with a nutritional supplement. I read that the AMA (American Medical Association) said that every American needs to supplement their diets with some type of vitamine.
Steve

[dlanna]

Hello,
I am posting a remedy that has worked for me, and I don't know if it has been aired previously since I am a new member although I have had P for over 35 years. I recently received a newspaper clipping written by a fellow P patient who contends that turmeric cured her P. She ate a teaspoon a day and in 5 days the inflammation, cracking, and bleeding were gone and in 5 months she was cured. I began eating turmeric immediately and also observed the inflammation and scaling subside. I am left with the scars of lesions, but no redness or scaling. If this remedy will help someone else I am glad to share it bcause 35 years of other treatments failed.

[Jobsen]

dlanna,
Were you on any other medications at the time? I am on Soriatane and am nervouse about taking supplements due to what affect it might have on me or on the effectiveness of the Soriatane(even though effective would not be the correct term so far).

[Gazza]

To Jor EL
To be honest, in all the research I have done, Pagano is the only one who comes up with a logical answer as to what P actaully is, where is starts from and how to cure it. All other research sites everything from a mystery, to hereditary, to auto-immune etc etc.

For what it's worth Pagano gives a solution instead of just accepting that we should live with P.

As far as the infant question you asked, I don't know is my honest answer. I;'ve read it's very rare in infants, the youngest cases I have read about are 2 years old and up. Maybe the infants intestinal tract walls were already weakened from birth and it's diet to date had only worsened their problem. Don't forget the majority of everyday foods, including food you give to a baby are acid forming, and as it's the over abundance of toxins in the system maybe this triggers it even at an early stage for a child. I'm purely speculating here.

To Chaim FL
We do not have to live with P forever, there are solutions to this problem, no less stated in Paganos book. If we surrender to the notion that we have it forvever then we will have it forever.
If a complete change in diet and lifestyle is required to keep it away then so be it, isin't that surely better that legions all over your body??
Because if an overweight person stops eating junk, they'll more than likely lose weight...
...if you stop smoking, you're breathing and alot more will improve...
...if you stop feeding yourself foods and all the toxins that feed the reason (according to Pagano) for Psoraisis it will go away...

But, if you return to all the habits I just listed of course you will more than likely see the detrimental effects again...hence the reason we don't have to live with it forever...

Gazza

[chaimFL]

In otherwords you regognize the fact that whatever treatment you use to clear the symptoms of P..if you were to cease treatment...the P will return???

Thus what I am saying is that there is no cure for the underlying cause of P......all you've said is that Pagano has only devised a way to mask the symptoms as well (which is a fact of course).

The old argument that Pagano treats the inside and meds only treat the outside is no longer valid because we have biologics now that treat the inside and actually target the REAL cause of P.

Pagano's diet is great for some people, but does nothing for others.

[kbradley]

Gaza, with all due respect, you are preaching to hundreds of people with p who have suffered many years and have tried many cures...including Pagano. I would like to re-iterate what another poster advised: go read the archives on the causes of p. In addition I would recommend reading the "alternative therapies" thread, ones on turmeric, etc. There are folks who've tried many things...many of which have worked for them. I am 99.9% clear right now so if you'd like to hear my story, I'd be glad to share it with you on a private message (i've told it already on this forum).

As for your theories about babies and p, you are guessing. We can all do that. If you search on the parent/caretaker forum you will find at least one family that had an infant (under 1 yr at the time) with p.

I am neither an advocate or foe of Pagano but to say that his theory about the causes and treatment of p is logical and therefore correct is a huge overstatement. Many theories can be logical and still founded on a faulty premise. -kiki

[Waco]

As to the genetic link in psoriasis - maybe it just means if you have these genes and get an overload of toxins in your body you get P, if you have this gene but eliminate all toxins you dont get P. If you dont have the gene weither you have toxins or not you dont get P. So the gene thing doesnt neccesarelly (sp????) disprove pagano - he also says something about there must be some underlieing thing that makes p people vunrable to p

As to the infant thing - maybe theyre born with toxins in them / it builds up quick / maybe in breast milk / maybe what gazza said, who knows, the point is it does not disprove paganos theory

As to the autoimmune thing, as far as i understand it it is the immune system 'gone mad' attacking its self, but maybe this response is being caused by the toxins in the skin? - your thoughts please (constructive thoughts, not just of people that seem to hate the mention of pagano! :) )

I also dont think paganos diet 'masks the symtoms', purely coz paganos diet is a natural balenced diet, nothing is being masked, just nothing is is making the p show

Biologics - can someone please give me a breif description of how they work / what they act on?

thanks! :)

mark

[Waco]

PS 'Most researchers now conclude that it is related to the immune system' & 'Researchers believe the immune system sends faulty signals' How do they know these signals are faulty? maybe theyre not? maybe its the presence of toxins which causes the immune system to do what it does


PPS i cant see you liking this comment but here goes all the same! - saying that it is the presence of toxins causing the immune system to do what it does isn't going to make drug companies much money, i dont really get the feeling the drug companies are there to make health food shops rich!

[chaimFL]

Waco the way we know that Pagano just masks symptoms like all other current treatments is by the fact that once you stop the diet the symptoms come back....so if the diet is nothing more than another treatment to lessen or get rid of the symptoms of P then the diet should be able to be stopped with no return of P. Furthermore if the condition was caused by toxins then wouldn't there be far more people with the condition?? We live in the fast food/poor diet generation and yet the percentage of people with P has not increased. Also if toxins were the culperate you would have to eliminate the toxins to get clear......so how do you explain people clearing from sunlight alone with no change in diet?? Better yet there are people out there that clear 100% from tanning beds, which I mention just in case you try to say that with sunlight a person sweats out all toxins (you don't sweat in a tanning bed).

I won't even entertain the notion that pharmaceutical companies are out to profit only and try there hardest to find cures because that is rediculous........if that were the case we wouldn't have vaccinces at all. There are many other points to be made, but I'd rather not waste my time even bothering with the point.

[Raynard_the_Fox]

Originally posted by Waco
PS 'Most researchers now conclude that it is related to the immune system' & 'Researchers believe the immune system sends faulty signals' How do they know these signals are faulty? Maybe they’re not? Maybe it’s the presence of toxins which causes the immune system to do what it does

As to the autoimmune thing, as far as I understand it it is the immune system 'gone mad' attacking its self, but maybe this response is being caused by the toxins in the skin? - your thoughts please

Personally because I know of people who have had P for sort periods of time and then had it go away and then never come back. My Grandfather had scalp P through his teen-age years and then it went away for years. He did not have any P symptoms again for years later (almost 20) when for 6 months his legs were covered again but he cleared and has been so ever since. Now he saw the same doc that saw my uncle (who I will get to in a minute) who has been covered by more then 30% or more since he was 15 so my grandfather knows what covered his legs was in fact P. Now he changed nothing but he happens to clear. Now just because he never again showed the out ward signs of P I am not going to say he was "cured". The symptom of the skin over producing skin cells at an accelerated rate (red scaly patches.) may never have returned but I do not believe that the underlay condition was cured.

Now we have my uncle who I have talk about before. Now he has been covered on more then 30% his body and he has been a strict vegan his whole life. I checked and I know he does not eat fried foods. I do know that he eats nightshade vegetables but he does do 8-week detox every year but he has never done better then 30% cover age.

Now I have also talked to people that have also said that they know persons that had P for a short time and then said it went away and never came back. So if its toxins that are triggering it why are they clearing with out any lifestyle changes? I doubt that the level dropped on their own or that there body suddenly started being able to handle them better.

However I have read some where if I find the link to it I will post it in which ones have cleared changing their diet. So far all I can say is that certain foods can be a trigger of P. I wish I remember the link because it gave a list of things you should have tested for and if these conditions exists diet change clears them however if these conditions did not exists diet did not have successes in clearing P.

Also I have another question do any of these Diet treatments claim to do anything for PA (Psoriatic Arthritis). I know that the Biologics work on both but if diet is suppose to work on the "cause" of P it should also eliminate PA.

-Fox

[BobO]

Boy, I really have to hand it to you guys for tirelessly responding to the PagaNO flights of fantasy.

It's more fun to sit back and watch people endlessly beat themselves up for lacking the willpower and resolution to stay on a sham diet that was manufactured by a world-class charlatan for the solitary purpose of ripping them off.

Now THAT'S HUGE comedy. And replete with ENEMAS too! George Carlin wishes he had material this good.

[Waco]

Hey BobO - the diet is starting to work for me and has worked 4 others :p

Fox - Yes it is ment to help 4 PA

To others - Incase you didnt read this part of what i wrote 'maybe it just means if you have these genes and get an overload of toxins in your body you get P, if you have this gene but eliminate all toxins you dont get P. If you dont have the gene weither you have toxins or not you dont get P'

As to continuing arguing about this. If your dead set against paganos diet for whatever reasons i aint going to be able to pursuade you. paganos diet hasnt been disproved and if people want to try it they should be incouraged, as at the very least it will improve all round levels of health. Im showing an improvement (not using sunbeds) other people have cleared up, some without a remission. It would seem that a lot of you arguing against pagano havent read the whole book although i also have to admit i havent read up everything on psoriasis


Let people and incourage people giving it a try as none of us are in a position to compleatly prove or disprove it. We are not omniscient so should not act like we are

[Waco]

ChaimFL - Drug companies make a lot of money out of vaccinces, but wouldnt make any out of natural cures. They have been shown to act very unethically in the past in order to make a profit. NOW IM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS THE CASE, I AM SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF CARING, HARD WORKING PEOPLE OUT THERE TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE WORKING FOR DRUG COMPANIES, but i am just as sure that there are people out there working for drug companies that money is their main objective, i only have to look around me (and even at myself at times) to see how everyone is so money focassed as if we all think money is what brings lasting happieness

To reiterate, there seems no solid grounds to say that pagano is wrong. choose to believe what you will, live and let live, and if your p goes away and you are happy, that can only be a gud thing

[chaimFL]

Please don't misunderstand me and think that I'm saying there is no benefit to Pagano's diet because that is by far what I'm saying. BUT his theory on toxins is WAY off...we have all the scientific data to prove a genetic link vs. Pagano's theory....he states no scientific studies to prove his toxins theory.

One reason I dispise the pharmaceutical money machine theory is because don't you think that Pagano is making a ton of money on his book?? If you don't think so then I got news for you.....and all the natural remedy companies that put out all these therapies and suppliments don't you think they are making tons of money as well?? So why are they any different???

[Raynard_the_Fox]

My other problem with the toxin theory is there are persons here that have cleared with using only topical and external treatments. There is a person here that has a daughter (I am not naming names but a few searches using key words and you will find her story but I don’t want to pull them into this by posting names) who went from 85-90% coverage to clear on only UVB and topical treatments. And she is not the only one those treatments worked for me and has cleared others. Now if P is caused by toxins internal a completely external treatment should not have worked or at the very least stopped worked as soon as you stopped the treatment if it is an internal problem with toxins. But I also will not say that toxins in the body can be a trigger for P. but I do not believe it is the root cause of P.

I will say this I have had P for a year. When I first heard the theory of toxins in the body I thought it made since. But after talking to many persons her and finding that treatment 1 works for X, Y, but not Z persons and then treatment 2 works for X, Z, but not Y persons. I know persons that have cleared on biologics and the same biologic did nothing for the next person. So what I can say after talking to and reading posts from others here is that the same old cliché is true "what works for one person does not do a thing for another." after talking with no many people here I believe that. I will be the first person to say I wish was the cause, people finally would not have to live with this.

I am really am not discouraging anyone from trying it. Every time I read anything or from anyone that says they cleared doing something I the first to cheer, no one should have to live with this. However I do not believe that toxins are the ends all be all cause of P. too many things have worked for others that if toxins were the cause just would not work. Again toxins may be a trigger but I don’t see them as the cause.

-Fox

[EdR]

To add my two cents to the discussion:

There is **zero** probability that diet alone is the critical biological factor that causes some people to develop psoriasis and others to not. Approximately 2% of the population has psoriasis, and our collective dietary habits do not significantly distinguish us from the the other segments.

Pagano is not a scientist or a physician. He is a chiropractor who bases his theory on a statement made by a self-purported psychic. If you want to examine the root basis of Pagano's "theory", that basis is a claim by Edgar Cayce well over half a century ago that psoriasis is caused by "toxins" penetrating a "leaky gut".

Cayce's claim is contradicted by truckloads of evidence that psoriasis involves an immune defect. Just one example is a set of observations made of people with psoriasis and without who have had to undergo allogeneic bone marrow transplants as a treatment for leukemia. If you have psoriasis and you receive a bone marrow transplant from a donor who does not have psoriasis, your psoriasis can remiss. If you don't have psoriasis, and you receive a bone marrow transplant from a donor who does, the transplant can trigger psoriasis.

A bone marrow transplant involves destroying the recipient's immune system with chemotherapy and full-body radiation, then transplanting bone marrow from a compatible donor, which hopefully generates a new immune system (if the recipient survives - there is a significant fatality rate). Other organ transplants do not transmit or remiss psoriasis - only bone marrow transplants. The recipient of the transplant has essentially taken on the immune system of the donor.

That the root cause of psoriasis is immune related does not mean that diet can't influence psoriasis. The immune system is a complex and reactive system that is triggered by environmental influences, and diet is certainly an environmental influence. That doesn't change the fact that the old "toxins" explanation is rooted in 19th century medicine. Again, I'm not knocking dietary regimens as possibly beneficial for some people - it's the *explanations* given by Pagano and others that disturb me. If they really wanted to help, they would try to modify their theories to fit newly discovered facts instead of clinging to old scientifically discredited explanations.

[GitOverIt]

how are ya doing? anything new with the diet? did you read my

thread on leaky gut syndrome?? I thought it was interesting and

very informative.....kind of giving a better understanding of the

*toxin* theory......let us know what's going on...there are many

of us interested.......ready to go into remission, a cure, a mask,

whatever you want to call it...."a rose by any other name is still a

rose":D

[makeitgoaway]

Originally posted by BobO
Boy, I really have to hand it to you guys for tirelessly responding to the PagaNO flights of fantasy.

It's more fun to sit back and watch people endlessly beat themselves up for lacking the willpower and resolution to stay on a sham diet that was manufactured by a world-class charlatan for the solitary purpose of ripping them off.

Now THAT'S HUGE comedy. And replete with ENEMAS too! George Carlin wishes he had material this good.

Very well said!



#1 Repeat after me. There is no “CURE” for psoriasis!

I hate the words psoriasis and cure in the same sentence!

#2 What is with all of the pharmaceutical and Dr. conspiracy theories?

Believe it or not, there still are plenty of good people in the world. People who enjoy helping others who suffer. I know it is hard to believe that the entire world does not revolve around how to take your money. (and keep in mind this is coming from a person who make a living as a sales rep.)

Oh, guess what? My Derm. has psoriasis. Don’t you think he would like a “Cure” for himself?

#3 Repeat after me. There is no “CURE” for psoriasis!

[bella247]

Found this from a little site called the NPF:

Portland, Ore., Dec. 9, 2003 - The National Psoriasis Foundation cautioned health care consumers today to beware empty promises being peddled on the Internet and in newspaper advertisements to "cure" psoriasis, an incurable immune-mediated disease that affects 5 million Americans. The Psoriasis Foundation has detected a recent surge in exaggerated product claims designed to mislead people with psoriasis. For example, a leading Internet search engine is currently returning four advertisements promising a "cure," and a fifth claiming to "end" psoriasis, when someone searches the word "psoriasis."

Steve--hated those words together for the past 16years, so please everyone lets not through the word CURE around... the rest of the document is here... cures being peddled (http://www.psoriasis.org/news/press/2003/20031203_psoriasiscuresalert.php)

Take care and Please smile everyone

Bella

[Waco]

A quote for Pagano 'All psoriatics must keep in mind that they still may have a tendancy towards the disease, even if every lesion on their body disappears by following this regimen' he also says many other quotes like this (that woz the only one i cud find quickly!). I personally see not reason why paganos regimen and scientific studies are in conflict, pagano himself said that there must be an underlieing thing which means that if psoriatics get to much toxins in our body, psoriasis shows itself

I have been on this diet for about 2 months, but only strictly for about 2 weeks or a bit more, my psoriasis is thining out and is less red, and this is in winter, i wud class that as improving! (i have not been using any sunbeds but have been using some cream that i have used for ova a year, but this cream has only ever stopped my p getting worse, it has never made my p improve this much)

@ makeitgoaway - i know there are a lot of really good people in this world, that was not my point, my point was that there seems to me to be no solid grounds for saying that pagano was compleatly wrong (see first point)

BTW when pagano uses the word cure for psoriasis he means that the symptoms go away. Who here wud care if they had psoriasis if they didnt have any symtoms?





Thankyou sally, just read your other thread

There are three quotes i found interesting-

'However, the implications of leaky gut syndrome on the body's general health are serious, and orthodox medicine has no quick fixes - the antibiotics that might be prescribed are only going to exacerbate the problem. Most Physicians deny its very existence, perhaps because the pharmaceutical industry has no drugs to counteract it.'

-like i mentioned before, studies carried out by big drug companies can be bias. So we can not just dismiss things like this

'Band-aid treatments with corticosteroids, prescription antibiotics and immuno suppressive drugs may be temporarily life-saving for acute episodes of pain, bleeding or severe inflammation as occurs in lupus or colitis. In the long run, however, none of these treatments do anything to heal the leaky gut problem'

-This goes out to the 'but why has treatment worked for some people, pagano must be wrong' crew!

'People with inflammatory bowel disease have increased permeability and increased risk of autoimmune disease'

-This goes out to the 'but it has been shown that p is an autoimmune disease therefore pagano is wrong' crew!


To me it appears to fit the facts + it is starting to work 4 me

[makeitgoaway]

Originally posted by Waco


@ makeitgoaway - i know there are a lot of really good people in this world, that was not my point, my point was that there seems to me to be no solid grounds for saying that pagano was compleatly wrong (see first point)

BTW when pagano uses the word cure for psoriasis he means that the symptoms go away. Who here wud care if they had psoriasis if they didnt have any symtoms?

Please show me where I said "Pagano was completely wrong".

Glad you understand that there is no Cure for Psoriasis. My problem is when someone peddles a "Cure" and takes advantage of people who have been afflicted with a life altering horrible disease, and are so desperate for a true cure that they will spend their hard earned money on anything labled as a "Cure", and don't know any better, all in an effort to boost sales and to pad his wallet. Remove the word "Cure" from his claim and I have no problem with his treatment. I've said it many times before, some treatments worrk for some and not others. This also includes the treatment that I use.

[Raynard_the_Fox]

I am with you Steve; I have no problem with his treatment or the discussion of it. However if your going to be using the words "Cure" and "Cause" you better be able to back those up. As they are in no way the same as treating the symptoms. I find it even more disturbing for a doctor to do so. Yes with P most people would not care if they had it if there skin were clear all the time.

However lets take something else like Cancer would you want the doctor to eliminate the symptoms or "Cure" the cancer. See there is a very big difference in those two statements. If something is cured your condition is gone you can live a normal life again.


Not saying that he treatment may not work but it looks like he grossly misused the word "Cure" to boost sells of a book.

-Fox

[Jor-EL]

-Waco and Gazza

I'd like to know if either of you have it in the fingernails or toenails.

Jor-EL

[Waco]

no i dont!